Comments on: The Sinister Truth About TPM? https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/ Computer Help, Tips, How-to's, and News Sun, 05 Feb 2023 22:08:16 +0000 hourly 1 By: AC https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-132869 Sun, 05 Feb 2023 22:08:16 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-132869 As has been mentioned here already. This whole closed-source “trusted computing” initiative is about control, restriction and hidden access to people’s computers.

TPM is for the DRM part and to control which software is allowed to run on a machine. Of course, that control will not only block malware, but any software that the powerful corporations don’t want users to run.
Other technologies, like Intel’s management engine, active management techology (and the respective AMD equivalents) are not only full of security holes, but would in general leave computers potentially open to remote access and remote control.

All of this junk is sold to the public as “better security”, and naturally only for our own benefit, right?

Unfortunately, despite many good ideas and great effort, the open source community hasn’t been able to come up with hardware and desktop software that would appeal to a broad range of end users and rival the commercial counterparts in polish, functionality, and industry support. This is largely due to the huge proliferation in the FOSS community concerning the desktop, Focus is on the server, mostly because there is commercial interest behind it, and commercial companies are funding professsional developers to advance e. g. the Linux kernel and related server software.

We’re in a tight spot here considering the recent developments, particularly those who need commercial software for work, or are not tech savvy enough to make a Linux desktop work for them.

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By: super_ Conduit https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-126991 Tue, 16 Aug 2022 05:52:25 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-126991 Unfortunately, it seems about control. Why else would MS offer a [another] “free upgrade?” This is why many people would rather bang their head finding drivers and software for Linux – because they can set it up as they like. Now that WIN11 is going to be contingent on a certain processor architecture is asinine.

I was just fine on Windows NT, until forced to 2000. It wasn’t too bad, I’ll admit. Thankfully I skipped Vista – which was the same kind of hype. Got to WIN7 and was stoked. I watched as people flailed with WIN8 – same kind of hype again, big fumble. Somebody throttled someone and ironed it out to WIN10. Decent.

To expect people, businesses, and schools to update hardware just to run a mediocre update because their hardware “Isn’t [healthy] enough” and you should “consider buying a new [chip compatible] machine” is ridiculous. I teach CS at a small school where dropping $25k because the machines in the lab don’t have hardware based DRM… is, is B.S. Even my Admin laptop, a two year-old Lenovo P51, with 16GB RAM, dedicated 4GB NVidia card, Intel Core i7-7700HQ CPU @ 2.80GHz, that can smoke Autodesk Inventor, Revit and Maya cannot be updated because of no DRM hardware??? I’ve got a torch, somebody get a rope… the greed it disgusting.

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By: Jonathan https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-125929 Sun, 22 May 2022 11:33:27 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-125929 The anecdote above reminds me of an Amstrad VCR I bought many years ago It took two tapes at once and would copy from one to the other.
I bought it because it was actually cheaper than the single tape model.
A friend of mine was a quartermaster sergeant at the time and had some educational tapes (basic physics if my memory serves) that the regiment needed copies of.
Great we thought. A use for the copy function and the ‘copy from rented’ enhancement switch.
I am sure many have realised what happened. When I put the switch on the message was ‘corrupted tape cannot be copied’. With the switch off the copies were perfect.
That was around thirty years ago and Amstrad has been gone for many years.
I use VLC for audio and video but every so often after an update Microsoft attempts to make me use their player.
DRM by the back door and a new stream of income for the copyright holders. It’s been a few years since there have been any front page prosecutions for copyright theft, there could be a lot more in the next few years.
With books the split on sale price used to be one third for the author, one third for the retailer and one third for the publisher. Large companies have been enlarging their percentage for many years and on top of that downloading has a tiny cost compared with producing a book.
My thoughts run on the lines of will this prevent illegal use or will it be a system to report illegal use.

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123104 Thu, 18 Nov 2021 23:01:02 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123104 In reply to Reg Watson.

Hey Reg,

I’ve tried to find out more about TPM but am unable to locate any in-depth assessments, only basic descriptions of its security features. Still, when the likes of Richard Stallman and Bruce Schneier are warning about TPM and its potential for abuse, one has to sit up and take notice.

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By: Reg Watson https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123093 Wed, 17 Nov 2021 21:36:20 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123093 Scary times Jim.

We should not just be “accepting” this from Microsoft and blindly believe what they tell us. They are clearly trying to force everyone to embrace TPM over the next few years as we are eventually compelled to upgrade to a system that will have these chips built in. When you are forced to do something without any choice in the matter then it is time to start digging in and asking questions.

Who knows what little backdoors this could potentially open onto your PC so that they could scan your PC for any particular information they might be seeking ? They tell us is just to prevent Malware getting in but who knows what else these little beauties are capable of ? Does anyone but Microsoft know exactly what these chips do ? This smacks of the equivalent of a computer “vaccine mandate” to me.

Given the state of US politics at the moment and the fact that Microsoft has become a very “woke” organisation in recent times I wouldn’t be at all surprised we find that it could be used in future by Intelligence Agencies to access computers of anyone they deem a threat or for example, to search for copyright infringements. I wonder if anyone has anyone be able to do a full technical analysis of what these chips actually do, whether they can “phone home” and/or allow access remotely to the PC at BIOS level ? Is anyone capable of doing such an analysis or is the chip totally encrypted to all except Microsoft ?

George Orwell might have been a few years off but his essential warning was correct. 1984 is pretty well here now and my tinfoil hat is firmly on because we are finding more and more that they really are necessary and not just the headgear of choice confined to “kooks” only any longer.

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123073 Mon, 15 Nov 2021 22:52:06 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123073 In reply to Sherman.

Hey Sherman,

The image at the top of the article is a TPM module. The motherboard MUST include a TPM header, which houses the module. So, if the motherboard includes a TPM header then purchasing a TPM module is an option. If the motherboard does not include a TPM header, then the module would be useless.

Hope that clarifies.

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By: Daniel Phillips https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123041 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 19:59:14 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123041 In reply to Sherman.

I have the same issue with my Asus P8Z77-V LX socket 1155 mobo. I do believe
the bios would also have to support TPM, and since my mobo is only a socket
1155, it will not support the ninth generation cpu, that is also a W11 requirement.

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By: Sherman https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123034 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 17:21:28 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123034 Jim,
At the head of your article on TPM there is a “picture” of what could be taken as an “add on module”. Is the picture an artist conception of a TPM add on module, or is there such a module available? My ASUS mother board, as fas as I can tell does not have TPM. so an add on would solve WIN 11 compatability and a perfectly good motherboard from the trash heap.
Sherman

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123024 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:23:05 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123024 In reply to John Kay.

If you are referring to my comment John, I believe you must have misread. I said “I do NOT disagree”. In other words, I DO agree.

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By: John Kay https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123022 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 12:07:43 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123022 It would be helpful to the reader to know why you disagree. We non tech guys depend on you technically aware people to keep us in the loop.

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123018 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 06:18:46 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123018 In reply to Walter Lesaulnier.

I do not disagree Walter.

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By: Jim Hillier https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123017 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 06:18:13 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123017 In reply to Mark H..

Hey Mark,

Yes, that’s the spin, that TPM makes it more difficult to introduce malware. However, TPM can also be used (abused?) to force users to run media files from a specific software and prevent users from sharing.

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By: Walter Lesaulnier https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123016 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 06:07:34 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123016 Just look at all the adds for new computers on Microsoft websites involving Windows 11 – everything is geared towards getting you to buy a new PC with Windows 11 pre-installed. TPM is a total scam to make perfectly good computers artificially obsolete.

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By: Mark H. https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-123007 Sat, 13 Nov 2021 00:27:40 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-123007 Jim,
I’m one who has been using TPM enabled computers, mainly laptops, since Windows 7. When I found out about Bitlocker, I switched to the Pro version of Windows and starting using it. Bitlocker can be used without a TPM module, but requires either a key stored on a USB flashdrive or a password to unlock the drive. When it came time to replace the initial laptop, I looked for one that had a TPM module, which allowed the use of Bitlocker without having to enter a password or inserting a key when signing into Windows. I’ve continued the practice through Windows 8, 8.1, 10 and 11.
Before I retired, my job kept me on the road 26 days out of 30. Setting up the laptops I used to require a BIOS password, as well as using Bitlocker, meant that the laptop was essentially a paper weight if it got stolen.
The PC my wife is using and the one that it replaced, both Dells, were equipped with TPMs, and Bitlocker is used on it as well.
Based on what I’ve been reading elsewhere, the TPM requirement is a security issue. In the future, software will be required to have a digital signature or something like that to be able to run in Windows, making it harder to introduce malware.
As for DRM, up until about 3 years ago, I’d been using WinX MediaTrans to convert videos to .mp4. Then Apple changed the codex or something and it no longer works.
I’ve got to check, but I heard there was a lawsuit filed against Apple over DRM filed in Federal Court here in the U.S. over limiting how videos purchased could be played, i.e., having to use iTunes or Apple Music exclusively. I don’t know the current status.

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By: Daniel Phillips https://davescomputertips.com/the-sinister-truth-about-tpm/#comment-122999 Fri, 12 Nov 2021 22:09:58 +0000 https://davescomputertips.com/?p=116813#comment-122999 And now every time I do a W10 update, I am reminded that my PC does not meet W11
requirements, and it never will, short of a complete PC rebuild.

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